From: Gary S. Gevisser
Monday, September 15, 2003 1:05 PM
To: Raymond Oshry
Subject: RE: ?If I am not for myself who is 4 me? And if I am only 4 myself, who am I? If not now, then when?


… u r a good man and someone I was always proud to call “my friend” but as u know “good” people don’t really need “friends”, at a minimum it can lead to great disappointment and of course even though us Jewish people don’t dwell on the life and death of Jesus Christ, born, raised, died and buried as a Jew, he was nonetheless by all accounts let down not so much by those in his inner circle but those with the power and influence to “co-opt” good people into doing the “wrong thing.”


Your math as well as your English was pretty good, most of all I enjoyed the chess game we played while “sweating” for finals at the University of Natal, for incredibly brain dead; u and your brother …, doing a whole more speaking out than even someone like myself who knew better, knowing most of all that if the Rabbi of the Orthodox Jewish congregation was so afraid to speak out during his incredible sermons with the male Lazarus clan “staring him up” from the second to front row of the downstairs seats with their wives in the “Royal Box” when not doing their fashion shows “staring him down”, to “watch his lip” then why should I be so idiotic to risk my “not so lily white” skin and of course how can any of us forget that Rabbi Weiss’ first wife, Shifra, was a cousin of yours.


I assume your memory serves you well that there were never such protests as I referred to in my email to Norman Lazarus?


Second, do you have any objection to me repeating your exact words attributing them to you or would you prefer at this time to remain anonymous?


How are things going with you and the family. Rest assured I will not broadcast such matters.




Ps – not that long ago I posted this posting on the website. Let me know if any of it doesn’t track with you.




From: Raymond Oshry
Monday, September 15, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: ?If I am not for myself who is 4 me? And if I am only 4 myself, who am I? If not now, then when?


Hi Gary, If you mean the National Party I think a lot of the “leaders” like Gunter Lazarus actually supported them. I seem to recall him having fundraisers or something similar.


-----Original Message-----
Gary S. Gevisser []
15 September 2003 18:05
Raymond Oshry
Subject: ?If I am not for myself who is 4 me? And if I am only 4 myself, who am I? If not now, then when?


Raymond, question:


Do you ever recall an occasion in all the times you attended synagogue at the Orthodox Jewish Temple in Silverton Road, Durban, South Africa or when you attended Carmel College, our private Jewish day school, when there was either one banner or a single speech by one of the many leaders of our Jewish community, protesting the policies of the illegitimate [NAZI] government that ruled South Africa with an iron first from 1948 when the State of Israel was formed, longer than the 40 years our Jewish ancestors supposedly spent wandering in the desert?



If u do recall such an occasion-s, can u tell me as best u can recall when such happening-s occurred and what came of such protest? Second, what, if anything, do u think we as a community or just a handful of us individually should do about it?




Gary S. Gevisser



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