From: Gary S. Gevisser
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:10 AM PT
To:
Enid Enga Pigors - Office of the Chairman & CEO of Coca Cola
Cc: rest; Solly Krok;
Nicholas Oppenheimer - DeBeers Diamond Cartel; Stephen Cohen - Codiam Inc.; Dr. Jonathan Beare
Subject: FW: The past is a pillar of salt - being rich is ethical (although I myself; am not rich) ?

 

Enid – I think it will be helpful for the Chairman and CEO of Coca Cola to keep track of this ongoing dialogue between Mr. Mohapi and Mr. Saul-Jonathan while surely not waiting for me to “squeeze the trigger” be4 deciding to do the right thing and the smart thing which is also the right thing first getting over how even Coca Cola may have been had by The Diamond Invention, his deafening silence with each tick of the almighty powerful clock, however, speaking volumes to the likes of Tefo Mohapi who must surely be concerned that Coke may in fact be higher up the food chain and therefore possibly supportive of the DAAC’s efforts to subvert the mandate of our great President to spread democracy not to ever forget the importance of following the money trail while also mulling over Senator Edward Kennedy along with former president Lyndon Johnson attending the funeral of Charles Engelhard’s and how neatly it ties in with my response to Ms. Maricela of The Diamond Invention who began our recent dialogue by informing me, “I don't know you... I don't offer any services please take me off your mailing list.”

 

Good day,

 

GsG

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From:
Tefo Mohapi [mailto:tefo@breinsystems.co.za]
Sent:
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:34 AM
To: Jonathan P
Cc: Gary S. Gevisser;
jonathan beare; Derrick Beare
Subject: Re: The past is a pillar of salt - being rich is ethical (although I myself; am not rich) ?

 

Jonathan/Saul,

 

To quote you "one must embark on complete
capitalism, if one doesn't; all he can do is sit and watch.
Alternatively, one's own greed can better the lives of
those around him. Giving a job is far more satisfactory
than continuously eroding one's own capital."

 

Question: Complete capitalism also means (I might be wrong) doing all you can to increse your capital even if it means abusing/exploiting other people's ignorance and/or kind heartedness? All I'm saying is the capitalist system is flawed but in the same breath I do not advocate for any other "ism" system because if you scratch the surface they are all the same.

 

1652 Jan Van Riebeck came to RSA as a part of the team from the Dutch East Indian Company. Due to the kind heartedness and ignorance of the habitants of South Africa then he managed to swop land for things like "mirrors" (same as Diamond Invention) and livestock for chairs and other worthless artefacts. Once having conned the people and the people awaken to the fact that these people have done them in they rather directly "steal" (thats what Jan and crew said) their land and livestock back. If I'm not wrong the people initially wanted to return those worthless artefacts for their land and livestock but were told it can't be done (HINT: Try selling your diamond, car, Software package, jewellery, furniture, etc. immediately after you buy it). So they "stole" their land back. But by then there were "laws" created by the initial "thieves" that said "doing what we did to you is illegal" and you will be arrested. Is that capitalism?

 

I just think it is flawed with too many loopholes but then those at the top seem to be tto brain dead to care since they are benefiting and through greed and paranoia keep the rest of us from getting up the pyramid.

 

Having said all this, I agree with you partially in that the only way to beat the system is from inside. Just like any virus or good thief, you work from the inside out to bring down the system especially if the system is a gigantic unmovable monolith that if you attacked from the outside it will crush you. So the best way is to infect the system and then the rest will be history.

 

So, Saul. When can I meet with you to discuss business and see if our business paths can cross and benefit us both?

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan P [mailto:janupalo@webmail.co.za]
Sent:
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:15 AM
To:
gsg@sellnext.com
Cc: tefo@breinsystems.co.za
Subject: The past is a pillar of salt - being rich is ethical (although I
myself; am not rich) ?
 
The past is a pillar of salt - being rich is ethical

(although I myself; am not rich) ?

 

Lets say the GDP per capita in South Africa is R24 000. It

is roughly that amount; I read different figures from all

over. If I am correct in my thinking, hypothetically, I own

R40 000 in the bank the man next to me now only has R8 000.

Any person who clears about R4 000 a month and save it

after one year can be richer than the average citizen. My father asked me why am I not studying further towards a CA(SA)? I answered by saying that the time taken to achieve such a goal would be a huge opportunity cost for compounding returns. I need to break the poverty cycle and every year I will take an extra margin from the guy next to me. He didn't say anything but knowing my father ? he thought I was mad. Although simplistic ? I have come to stage where I am fighting over ethical issues. I can't help think what a ridiculously small amount R24 000 is. I also can't help thinking ? the man next to me will do the same.

 

A very good friend of mine once posed an ethical issue to

me, at the age of seventeen, I was completely stumped. I

have posed the same statement to many, many of which cannot accept it. He said, "The giving of charity is a selfish affair". I asked him, "why is that? surely giving charity is giving up something for someone else, how can that be selfish?". He smiled and replied, "In monetary terms, yes, people give money to make themselves feel better". Well, simply giving money where I am loosing compounding returns for someone who buys sniffing glue is very much against my thinking. The same applies to giving money to those who spend excessively to convince other donors. I wrote in my little thoughts book, "one must embark on complete capitalism, if one doesn't; all he can do is sit and watch. Alternatively, one's own greed can better the lives of those around him. Giving a job is far more satisfactory than continuously eroding one's own capital."

 

Gary, I really think you mean well. Scientifically

speaking, I cannot explain why the universe has no

beginning or end. I cannot explain why certain art

movements and cultures have similarities before the age of globalisation aka "Digital Age". G-d / universal thinking will know best and things will happen naturally. There are certain areas (regardless of how true or untrue) of this site which link perceived unethical behaviour to certain persons? personal life. You clearly have more knowledge or in contact with these entities. I personally know of a certain company under the control of Jonathan Beare which employs thousands. This same company in a few years time may employ 3 times that amount. Yet you have made some very personal remarks about him and linking him to unethical behaviour. I ashamedly, not knowing Jonathan Beare, replied by speculating his connection to dutch-sandwiches. Anyone can justify anything by twisting the words. The truth is I have spoken to one of Jonathan Beare?s CEO, he told me what a brilliant man Jonathan is and how he makes, although complicated, very fair deals for all the parties. To any entities related to Jonathan Beare and Jonathan Beare himself who are reading this; please forgive me, I think Jonathan Beare has achieved a lot for himself and for others.

 

I also feel that guilt shouldn’t draw investors. The Clear Water Fund is a great idea. In South Africa, water shortage and global warming is slowly becoming evident. The past is a pillar of salt and will remedy itself, I ask of you to be positive and look ahead.

 

Kind Regards

Saul