From: Ron Bellows – Senior Risk Managemement Specialist-AIG-Marsh
& McLennan-ACE Ltd.
Sent:
To: Ron Bellows Junior - MonteCristo@KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM
Cc: john green
Subject: WE
insure KBR Centcom adn Haliburton
my point the other day - that these people have been
taken and treated as war combatants when there is no war - is totally against
the constitution - which apparently doenst exist anymore
BUT get this .. ..
I have now been given the project of trying to figure out
our exposure ( AIG ) for our overseas defense contractors we insure -
thing is - the policy excludes 'acts of war' ( as most do
) - BUT - includes Terrorism ??
so.. .If a contractor dies from an act of war - we pay
the widow and the gov't is supposed to reimburse us from their war chest
so now - the feds are saying - "there is no
war" - and we don;t get reimbursed - for all the dead captured and
"lost" contractors ( and our
loss numbers are showing lots mopre thatn the news is reporting )
so all the actuaries and underwriters are freakin out -
watching their policy breach limits and bleed cash
so i got the order sunday - (to get this) - go adn figure
out what KBR, Centcom and Haliberton employee exposure are and what they are
doing to control their contract employees exposure ??
AND - this is a no win - If I pull the plug ( write a
report that says its a poor risk ) my name goes to the head of KBR etc - If I
say its all good - we loose money and aig stomps on my tushy
aaagghhh
glad you sent eh DU info - now what do I do with it ???
later boys
i need a drink . .
. .
----- Original Message -----
From:
Date: Monday, May 3, 2004 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: The great conservative George Bush
> ...and no right to speak with his lawyer - OR take
the case to
> court. She had to be granted permission as lawyer
and 'next of
> friend' to go to court on his behalf.
> anyone. He is an American citizen.
>
>
> "What country can preserve its liberties, if
its rulers are not
> warned from time to time that the people preserve
the spirit of
> resistance? Let the people take arms...the tree of
liberty must be
> refressed from time to time, with the blood of
patriots and
> tyrants."
> -- Thomas
>
>
> ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------
> From: "john green" <
> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 10:57:36 -0400
>
> >It was the Padilla case, and the appeal was for
his release or
> for charges
> >to be filed. 1 1/2 years in jail, no charges, no
rights....this
> could be
> >anyone !!
> >
> >
> >
> >~~~~~~~~
> >
> >"There is no reason to hand Big Brother the
keys to unlock our e-mail
> >diaries, open our ATM records, read our medical
records, or
> translate our
> >international communications." John
Ashcroft 1997
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <duffy56@optonline.net>
> >To: "john green" <
> >Cc: <MonteCristo@KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:47 PM
> >Subject: Re: The great conservative George Bush
> >
> >
> >> my understanding was that the hearing would
not be made public ???
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: john green <
> >> Date: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:31 pm
> >> Subject: Re: The great conservative George
Bush
> >>
> >> > They simply referred to it and debated
the need for it. The
> >> > republicansScalia and Renquyist were
all for it and their
> >> > questions were antagonistic in nature.
CSpan never showed the
> >> > actual hearing, only the audio, then
the
> >> > picture of the person talking. Must be
nice to be a servant
> of the
> >> > people,yet be able to dictate how and
when you will allow the
> >> > peons to hear you speak. I always
thought that they were supposed
> >> > to test the constitutionality of laws
and cases, instead they act
> >> > more like defenders of
> >> > unconstitutional laws, using precident
as a litmus test for
> >> > legality rather
> >> > than the constitution, as they are
supposed to. I don't know if
> >> > they'llreplay it, it might be on the
CSPAN website. I felt sorry
> >> > for the lawyer
> >> > arguing the case, she made great
points that went unanswered,
> >> > "pleading" her
> >> > case to the Gods, rather than them
proving the legality of the
> >> > unconstitutional patriot act and all
of it's abusive content.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ~~~~~~~~
> >> >
> >> > "There is no reason to hand Big
Brother the keys to unlock
> our e-mail
> >> > diaries, open our ATM records, read
our medical records, or
> >> > translate our international
communications." John Ashcroft 1997
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "
> >> > To:
<MonteCristo@KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM>; <duffy56@optonline.net>;
> >> > "john green" <
> >> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 5:22 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: The great conservative
George Bush
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Wow - thats great that you got to
see it! About the Patriot
> Act,>> > was any
> >> > of its legislation actually used
against Padilla or was it simply
> >> > referredto in general? I researched
this pretty thoroughly
> and it
> >> > was never used by
> >> > the lower courts. Generally when this
is the case, the SUpreme
> >> > Court won't use it either. Was
anything specific from the patriot
> >> > act
> used to
> >> > justifyPadilla's treatment? When do
you think CSPAN will replay
> >> > the hearing?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "What country can preserve
its liberties, if its rulers are not
> >> > warnedfrom time to time that the
people preserve the spirit of
> >> > resistance? Let the people take
arms...the tree of liberty must
> >> > be refressed from
> time>> > to time,
> >> > with the blood of patriots and
tyrants."
> >> > > -- Thomas
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------- Original Message
--------------------------------
> --
> >> > > From: "john green" <
> >> > > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:53:24
-0400
> >> > >
> >> > > >Funny that you should bring
up the Padilla case. CSPAN carried
> >> > the debate
> >> > > >between Padilla's attorny and
the Supreme court - I really
> felt>> > bad for
> >> > the
> >> > > >attorny. Talk about a
kangaroo court - whenever she hit a
> solid>> > point,the
> >> > > >discussion shifted, most of
the judges saying how we need the
> >> > power of
> >> > the
> >> > > >Patriot Act. She kept saying
how giving a president sole
> >> > authority is
> >> > > >against what the constitution
intended and against all the
> >> > principlesthat
> >> > > >the country was founded upon.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >We'll see what they rule, but
after hearing the debate, it
> >> > doesn't leave
> >> > me
> >> > > >with a lot of optomism.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >~~~~~~~~
> >> > > >
> >> > > >"There is no reason to
hand Big Brother the keys to unlock our
> >> > e-mail
> >> > > >diaries, open our ATM
records, read our medical records, or
> >> > translate our
> >> > > >international
communications." John Ashcroft 1997
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >From: "
> >> > > >To:
<MonteCristo@KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM>; <duffy56@optonline.net>
> >> > > >Cc: "john green"
<
> >> > > >Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004
12:55 PM
> >> > > >Subject: Re: The great
conservative George Bush
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> that is true but do you
think it really means that bush is
> >> > anti-gun?
> >> > maybe
> >> > > >the patriot act isn't really
as much of a threat as we
> thought.>> > here'swhy i
> >> > > >say this - over the last 3
weeks i spent a hell of a lot
> of time
> >> > researching
> >> > > >one of the enemy combatant
cases that went before the supreme
> >> > court on
> >> > > >wednesday (the 28th). the
case i studies, and wrote an
> opinion on
> >> > (supreme
> >> > > >ct opinion) was padilla v.
rumsfeld. the case is about an
> american>> > citizen
> >> > > >who was arrested in may 2002
and held by a military brig
> for 18
> >> > months,not
> >> > > >allowed contact with anyone,
denied a lawyer, and never
> charged>> > with a
> >> > > >crime. he took his case to
court saying this was all
> against his
> >> > > >constitutional rights and
bush/rumsfeld can't hold him
> >> > illegally like
> >> > this.
> >> > > >the federal district court
ruled against him. he appealed
> to ct of
> >> > appeals
> >> > > >which overturned destrict
court. rumsfeld appealed to supreme
> >> > court who's
> >> > > >opinion will come out in
july. i had to write the opinion
> for my
> >> > > >assiignment. but here what
i'm getting at. i read the
> federal court
> >> > opinions
> >> > > >and i read the ct of appeals
decision. NONE OF THEM, used the
> >> > Patriot Act
> >> > to
> >> > > >justify or support what the
governemnt did to this man. if the
> >> > patriotact
> >> > > >was going to be used - this
would have been the perfect case.
> >> > but it was
> >> > > >never used. why? too many
loopholes. bush labeled this guy as
> >> > an "enemy
> >> > > >combatant". the patriot
act doesn't mention enemy
> combatants in
> >> > it - so
> >> > it
> >> > > >can't be used. theres much
more too this but basically - the
> >> > patriot act
> >> > has
> >> > > >major problems - thats why
they had to come up with a new
> one - the
> >> > patriot
> >> > > >act II - to settle the
legalities of the first one that
> they rushed
> >> > through
> >> > > >and fucked up on - and close all the loopholes. we'll see if
> >> > congress> >passes it - after
they read it this time (they didn't
> >> > the first). look -
> >> > > >despite all these elites who
want a global police state - most
> >> > congressmen
> >> > > >are not "in the
know" and we still have a system of government
> >> > here. It
> >> > > >hasn't collapsed yet. we
still have a supreme court and
> checks and
> >> > balances.
> >> > > >yeas - it's being erored at
the hands of corrupt players
> >> > involved - but
> >> > it's
> >> > > >not dead yet and neither is
the constitution - it's hurtin
> -
> >> > but it aint
> >> > > >dead. there are still legal
and political avenues we can take.
> >> > we'll see
> >> > > >what the supreme court says
(though I didn't rule this way
> >> > myself - i
> >> > feel
> >> > > >with scalia and rehnquist and
thomas aboard - bush has an
> edge).>> > > >>
> >> > > >> "What country can
preserve its liberties, if its rulers are
> >> > not warned
> >> > > >from time to time that the
people preserve the spirit of
> >> > resistance? Let
> >> > the
> >> > > >people take arms...the tree
of liberty must be refressed from
> >> > time to
> >> > time,
> >> > > >with the blood of patriots
and tyrants."
> >> > > >> -- Thomas
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> ---------- Original
Message -----------------------------
> -----
> >> > > >> From:
duffy56@optonline.net
> >> > > >> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004
09:42:11 -0400
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >it doesnt have to -
all they have to do is say your a
> >> > suspect enemy
> >> > > >copmbatant - OR terrorist
simpithizer adn you have NO RTS -
> >> > includingyour
> >> > > >ownership of weapons
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >----- Original
Message -----
> >> > > >> >From:
> >> > > >> >Date: Friday, April
30, 2004 7:40 am
> >> > > >> >Subject: Re: The
great conservative George Bush
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >> I see what you
mean, but just for the record, I'm pretty
> >> > sure that
> >> > > >> >> the Patriot Act
doesn't have any anti-gun legislation
> in it.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> "What
country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers
> >> > are not
> >> > > >> >> warned from
time to time that the people preserve the
> >> > spirit of
> >> > > >> >> resistance? Let
the people take arms...the tree of
> liberty>> > must be
> >> > > >> >> refressed from
time to time, with the blood of
> patriots and
> >> > > >> >> tyrants."
> >> > > >> >> -- Thomas
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> ----------
Original Message --------------------------
> -----
> >> > ---
> >> > > >> >> From:
duffy56@optonline.net
> >> > > >> >> Date: Thu, 29
Apr 2004 11:00:16 -0400
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >if you
really try to connect all the dots - you have to
> >> > wonder> >> >> how
anyone could be pro-PAT ACT and also pro-
> gun ??/
> >> > therefore> >> >> bush
and cheney have to be anti-gun -
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >-----
Original Message -----
> >> > > >> >> >From: john
green <
> >> > > >> >> >Date:
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:21 pm
> >> > > >> >> >Subject:
The great conservative George Bush
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> Bush
went to Pennsylvania to support Specter for the
> >> > Senate.> >> >> >>
Specter is
> >> > > >> >> >>
anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-tax, "moderate".
> Toomey is true
> >> > pro-gun
> >> > > >> >> >>
conservative. Bush helped Specter beat Toomey in the
> >> > primary.> >> >> Want
> >> > > >> >> >>
more?Specter is up for chairmanship of the all
> powerful>> > Senate> >> >>
>> JudiciaryCommittee. The same
> committee that
> >> > brought you the
> >> > > >> >> Brady
> >> > > >> >> >> Law
and the AWB. It
> >> > > >> >> >> just
keeps getting better, doesn't it.
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >>
~~~~~~~~
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >>
"There is no reason to hand Big Brother the keys to
> >> > unlock our
> >> > > >> >> e-mail
> >> > > >> >> >>
diaries, open our ATM records, read our medical
> >> > records, or
> >> > > >> >> >>
translate our
> >> > > >> >> >>
international communications." John Ashcroft 1997
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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